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The transcript of the live chat with Court TV's Beth Karas on Feb. 8, 1995. The chat focused on the Zion v. New York Hospital trial. Romany01: Did everyone watch today? Romany01: Hi Jt : Jtgrafx: hi everyone Rodney23: i think fred grahamn is doing a superb job. out there Bomber575: whats goin on the OJ triall? Rodney23: how come they never take calls nowadays? CourtTV: Beth Karas will be here in a few minutes to talk about the Zion trial Jtgrafx: Romany - What's up - I caught bits and pieces all day Bomber575: bywe Romany01: Witnesses regarding the dog and the finding the body. Jtgrafx: looked same as prelim Romany01: Pretty much Jt...with the exception of the neighbors Jtgrafx: Went to book store today - there's a "OJ trial guide..." MacAtHome: Hi out there. So do you think taht these Lawyers on camera are a godd or bad thing for our Romany01: Really? Put out by whom, Jt? MacAtHome: legal system Romany01: I think they're good. It's time we got a better idea of how the system works. Jtgrafx: Didn't really look - it's just a log of events....looked like someone just need $$$$$ Romany01: Probably, Jt. MacAtHome: Who is JT Jtgrafx: Mac - a book "OJ's Trial Guide" publishers RRR737: hi! Jtgrafx: hi RRR RRR737: just got in - what's going on today with OJ? Romany01: I wonder if they'll call the first officer on the scene of the murder? Jtgrafx: Is the jury going to tour the crime scene this week??? Romany01: Not sure...soon, though. Jtgrafx: Romany - surely they will - to attest what he saw Romany01: CTV did go by and check the gate. MacAtHome: This entire case not only wraps up racial/sexual/movie/crime issues but also the profit Romany01: Yes, it's just a matter of scheduling it. Jtgrafx: Wish I had their witness list.. MacAtHome: that can be made on TV, radio, publishing ect.....Pretty Amewican stuff...No? Romany01: I don't think that can be posted. RRR737: what was the point of the witness's today? Jtgrafx: no it can't - witnesses would fly the coop! Romany01: To set the time of the murders, RRR RRR737: still with the howling dog? Jtgrafx: didn't seem to prove much - sounded like a couple changed testimony...? Romany01: Actually, they did quite well with that dog. Romany01: Not really. CourtTV: Beth karas is here to answer questions about the Zion case Romany01: Hi Beth RRR737: are they (PROS) getting closer to a definate time of muders? CourtTV: hi MacAtHome: Yes, cause a coroner didn't do his job. Jtgrafx: CTV - Brief description of ZION case - not familiar... :( Romany01: The Zion verdict was pretty bad. MacAtHome: Is that really CourtTV? RRR737: not familiar with ZION either. Romany01: CTV, have you seen Moore try other cases? MacAtHome: So does anyone think the Aikita did it? Jtgrafx: I Want CTV - I only get CNN.... :( CourtTV: Libby Zion (18 years old) entered New York Hospital in 1984 with a fever and earache. She MacAtHome: No correction it was 3 Akitas with ski masks going down the alley. CourtTV: died 8 hours later. Her father sued 4 doctors and the hospital for negligence claiming they CourtTV: injected her with a drug that was lethal in combination with another drug she was on Jtgrafx: Verdict? Romany01: Not guilty on almost all counts. CourtTV: I have not seen Moore try other cases but I'm told his style in this same in all. Romany01: Except the one where they really weren't guilty. RRR737: Almost all counts? Romany01: He was horrible. Probably drove the jury to distraction. Jtgrafx: Did they not ask what medications she was on??? Romany01: Yes, found guilty on the lethal combination of Demoral and Nardil. CourtTV: Three doctors were found liable for ordering the lethal injection. The hospital and one doc Cpogilvie: what is nardil? Romany01: However, the fact that it was dangerous was not known at the time of the death. CourtTV: were cleared. MacAtHome: Hey are you guys lawyers or doctors? RRR737: Was she on demoral and given nardil or other way around? CourtTV: Nardil is an antidepressant. Romany01: Was taking Nardil. Jtgrafx: sounds like negligence CourtTV: She was on nardil. Romany01: Was given Demoral RRR737: thanks romany CASSIDY801: anyone here know the laws of AL???? Cpogilvie: where is courtTV located? RRR737: and CTV Romany01: No, Jt, because it was several years ago and they didn't know the reaction possible. CourtTV: ctv is in ny Romany01: Today, they would know. Jtgrafx: Interesting - I was taking antidepressent Pamelor - dentist gave me codeine - BAD REACTION Romany01: I'd imagine. Jtgrafx: wound up in hospital too LawBuff: Beth, were you surprised by the verdict? RRR737: antidepresents and barbituates are a bad mix - anytime PennitoJW: not true knew of reaction several years prior to libby`s admission Jtgrafx: dentist didn't ask and I didn't think to tell - my tooth was KILLING ME CourtTV: Yes. I thought the hospital would be found liable for the system it had in place. No one CourtTV: more senior than a junior resident saw Libby. The hospital was a teaching hospital. LawBuff: Did you talk to any of the jurors? Know how they reached their verdict? RRR737: definately sounds like the hospital had lousy system in place - Teaching hospitals usually RRR737: good Jtgrafx: New juror on... CourtTV: The PDR listed the reaction between Demerol and Nardil as far back as 1967. Jtgrafx: excuse me - witness Romany01: Good, RRR, if you say you don't want any residents or interns touching you :) CourtTV: I spoke with 4 of the 6 jurors. The defense was that Libby took cocaine before entering RRR737: It does help to be active in your own care CourtTV: the hospital and did not tell the doctors. The defense said she died of a cocaine/nardil CourtTV: reaction. The evidence was ambiguous about the cocaine but the jury bought it and BOMOHAMMAD: Beth are you related to Alex? CourtTV: found Libby 50% responsible for her own death. Jtgrafx: Was there any compensation? RRR737: 50% was enough to clear the doctors/hospital? CourtTV: I'm not related to the former football player. CourtTV: Yes. One dollar for wrongful death (that's all the plaintiff asked for) and 375,000 for pain CourtTV: and suffering. LawBuff: Why did they only ask for one dollar? Jtgrafx: kinda unusual????? Mikerunner: it seems Libby was left alone for quite a long time while her temperature kept rising CourtTV: The plaintiff said he wasn't in this for the money. He sought punitive damages against the CourtTV: hospital and the doctors in order to make a statement about residency training programs. CourtTV: It was a gamble and he lost. Mikerunner: wasn't this evidence of lack of sufficient care TOI CAT: Beth have you spoken with Sidney? Does he feel 10 years were lost? CourtTV: Libby's temperature was not taken between 2:45 am and 6:30 am. At 6:30 it was 108 CourtTV: degrees. She died shortly after. Jtgrafx: Cardiac Arrest?? Fried Brain??? ThomasL137: What do you mean he gambled and lost? CourtTV: Sidney is angry. He believes the jury bought the "lie" about cocaine. Although he, in SheilaB302: HI! CourtTV: large part lost, his "crusade" was still a victory. He succeeded in changing the hospital Otcinsight: The nurses didn't monitor the heartrate? CourtTV: regulations in New York State regarding the number of hours residents and interns work CourtTV: and the level of supervision of them. Mikerunner: Were any of the nurses named as defendants in the lawsuit? Jtgrafx: gotta run for a while....dog time ThomasL137: Too bad it doesn't apply in other states. CourtTV: Libby's vital signs (including heart rate) were taken 4 times before 2:45 am. Not after. ThomasL137: I'm a first year medicine resident at the University of Michigan, and still work fairly ThomasL137: obscene hours. CourtTV: The nurses were not named in the suit although, arguably, they could have been. RRR737: gotta go for awhile - check out the witness on OJ - thanks Romany CourtTV: Thomas, how many hours do you work and how often are you on call? MHernan634: talking about zion vs new york? Mikerunner: Were all four doctors held equally at fault? ThomasL137: This month I'm on call every third night because I'm in the unit. Non-unit months are every CourtTV: Three doctors were found liable. Their liability was not apportioned so they are all CourtTV: equally at fault. ThomasL137: fourth. In fact, I'm post-call right now. My hours vary, but are usually greater than 85 ThomasL137: and have been over 110 during bad weeks. Mikerunner: Which doctor was exonnerated? ThomasL137: I get two scheduled days off per month. CourtTV: Thomas, the New York regulations restrict on call hours to no more than 24 with a CourtTV: weekly aggregate of no more than 80. These regulations, however, are violated CourtTV: routinely, I'm told. ThomasL137: I know. Gleeper1: I am a resident also but we usually average about 80 hours a week, including any time we might get to MHernan634: puting it mildly courttv CourtTV: The emergency room doctor was exonerated. ThomasL137: We have several residents who went to school in NY and left out of fear of the 24 hour law. Gleeper1: sleep on call. We never have to work more than 28 hour in a row, but often it's right at that. CourtTV: Thomas, Why out of fear? ThomasL137: Which program are you in Gleeper1? ThomasL137: Because they feel the training may not be adequate. Gleeper1: University of New Mexico--great program! ThomasL137: Medicine? BMcnam9814: Where are you guys right now? BMcnam9814: Is there anyone there? Gleeper1: Yes. We have about 5-6 ward months that are 80hrs. One day off a week no matter what! JCHenry500: yes, arkansas Krafti Kid: hello ThomasL137: My program was advertised as a day off a week. No such luck. No you have a night float? ThomasL137: (That's a do not a no) KatieTried: So do you doctors think the new york hospital doctors were sleep deprived? CourtTV: Thank you Katie. Gleeper1: We have a cap on admits (10/team/night) and our attending covers the team when we're off JoeSchuldt: Yeah wore they sleep deprived JCHenry500: What's sleep deprived, it ust sort of becomes a way of life JoeSchuldt: Well I have to go Bye CourtTV: The intern on duty the night Libby died read about Nardil in the PDR section and SV BACON: Greetings........ ThomasL137: I'm not very familiar with the case. We're all pretty sleep deprived, but we get used to it KatieTried: I'm thinking the jury said no because the only testimony they had about Weinstein... KatieTried: was from Weinstein CourtTV: specifically read the contraindications. It clearly said not to give meperedine to a Mikerunner: Is there now a limit to the number of patients and intern can be responsible for? DANIELDRF: no CourtTV: patient on an MAOI. The intern was in her 17th hour. She missed the line that said ThomasL137: Not in my program. General medicine months can be brutal. KatieTried: Beth, are you in New York? CourtTV: the combination could be lethal. Sleep deprived? CourtTV: Yes, I'm in New York. Mikerunner: How can any doctor reasonable be expected to care for 40 patients at once? JShambro: no KatieTried: What does the city say about the verdict, what is Sid Zion saying? JCHenry500: no CourtTV: Good point. The intern had 48. ThomasL137: It's difficult. Gleeper1: I think mistakes can happen sleep deprived or not. I've missed things wide awake. But being tired ThomasL137: I routinely cross cover that many patients on a call night. Gleeper1: makes it easier to miss things. CourtTV: The City wasn't a party to the action. Sid is very upset. Patrick959: Doctors take that load at night all the time. Mikerunner: Please explain "cross cover" KatieTried: meant general reaction in the city at large :) CourtTV: Within 40 minutes of receiving the Demerol injection (intramuscularly) Libby started to ThomasL137: The truth of the matter is, we all make mistakes, we just try not to make big ones. CourtTV: flip out. The nurses begged the intern to come and the intern refused. Instead, the CourtTV: intern ordered a Posey jacket. When that didn't work, the nurses put Libby in 4-point WLJ0412: No other "industry" besides health care will allow professionals responsible for peoples MHernan634: i am sick of zion and new york CourtTV: restraints. Finally, fifteen minutes later, she was given 1 mg. of Haldol as a sedative. CourtTV: She was dead 2 hours later. Should the intern have come to Libby's side? The nurses WLJ0412: lives to operate with sleep deprivation as the norm, not the exception. JCHenry500: yes CourtTV: called 3 times in a fifteen minute period. Gleeper1: Gotta go. ThomasL137: Bye. ReGrey: I hope that jacket was worth it. KatieTried: I thought the jury's answer was interesting--no to the first call, yes to the second CourtTV: Good bye Gleeper. ThomasL137: That's bizarre. Mikerunner: What type of practice does Dr. Weinstein do today? How will this judgement affect her? Patrick959: The nurses can go over the interns head to the fellow or attending,why wasn't that done? CourtTV: Weinstein is an internist. She is also teaches at Cornell Medical College. KatieTried: Why were both sides afraid to call the medical examiner? Dying to know CourtTV: Patrick: Good question and one that many have asked. I don't know the answer. CourtTV: Moore told me the autopsy report and toxicology report speak for themselves. It's JohnG6: Hello everyone MHernan634: BYE CourtTV: always a risk to put someone on the stand and open him up to cross examination. ThomasL137: That would have been unusual in the extreme. If she was a new admit that night, the only KatieTried: Seems like he must have had things to say that neither side wanted to hear Patrick959: If I don't trust the judgement I routinely go to the fellow. But that is expected on our uni ThomasL137: person who would have been familiar with her case would have been the intern and resident ThomasL137: on call. Mikerunner: What effect do you think Moore's personality had on the jury? CourtTV: Mikerunner: I asked them that question. They thought he was a bit too dramatic but CourtTV: for the most part thought he did a fine job. KatieTried: Did they say anything about Moore's wife ? CourtTV: Katie: Not to me but I'll be speaking to them again. I'm curious too. KatieTried: I thought her obvious use of technique kind of exposed how much of his style was technique CourtTV: Katie: She mimicked his style too much. It became a distraction for many viewers. She Patrick959: It might be unusual there, but ultimately the attending is responsible. So it the situation CourtTV: actually did a good cross examination of the defense's toxicologist but some of it was Patrick959: warrants it, they should have called. CourtTV: lost due to her style. KatieTried: I agree completely KatieTried: I thought Moore was surprisingly gracious on the "post-game show" CourtTV: Patrick: The jury thought the attending was the most liable although the verdict appears CourtTV: to focus on the intern. KatieTried: Did they think Sherman had lied about the Demerol, or just forgotten? Patrick959: What was the ultimate cause of death? CourtTV: Katie: He was gracious. That's his personality. He's a deeply religious man and CourtTV: studied to be a priest at one time. KatieTried: talk about hellfire & brimstone! CourtTV: Katie: The jury believed Sherman knew about the Demerol via Stone's call. They did not CourtTV: say whether he lied or forgot. ThomasL137: Well, I have to go and get some sleep. Goodbye all. It was interesting. Doodles101: hello CourtTV: Bye Thomas. SColfax350: Hi everyone Alex269: hi Athansor: hiscolfax Doodles101: whats going in is court Cobble1: hello Doodles101: hello SColfax350: hi CourtTV: hi doodles Athansor: Isnt it wild that the police completely ignored this older lady who just testified Doodles101: hi there court Athansor: They could have solved the case right there if they had responded to her call.... Doodles101: what did she say? SColfax350: My thought exactly Athansor Cobble1: she probably is a pain to the police Athansor: At 10:15, she say the dog running back and forth and called the police to come get it Athansor: saw the dog Romany01: Hi All.. Doodles101: well im confused Athansor: hi romany Doodles101: hi SColfax350: Hi Romany RRR737: Hi1 RRR737: Hi! Doodles101: hey court do you run this thing? Athansor: Doodles: at the time everyone was listening to the dog, she tried to get the police to come CourtTV: hi Mac Hackx2: OJ is a guilty ASS! CourtTV: yes MoLudwig: Anyone discussing the case AThomp1025: Was anyone as disgusted with Tom Moore's theatrics as I was? Romany01: Yes, Mo... Saccomano: what do you think about all the dogs barking? How much value doe it have for the procecution? timing? Athansor: Mac Hack: love that due process! Cushwitz: I'm not convinced that he is guilty.. Romany01: A lot, Sacco. SColfax350: Do you know that for sure Mac KatieTried: I got really sick of it, AT, to the point I didn't watch his closing MoLudwig: This is Zion right? Athansor: This lady couldve solved the whole case without the police CourtTV: Our viewers were split. They other love or hate him. I'm told that's always the case Doodles101: ok i cant hear anything cause i dont have a sound card CourtTV: with him. Mac Hackx2: O'J is guilty! Any one who agrees with me Send e-mail with your thoughts Romany01: The last witness was the best. :) RRR737: May I get a census on OJ - guilty, innocent, uncertain? Mac Hackx2: OJ IS GUILTY! Romany01: Guilty Alex269: guilty KatieTried: I wouldn't mind him being my lawyer if I were grievously injured SColfax350: Innocent untill proven guilty Kjaj: guilty Cushwitz: I think the Zion ruling was excellent. Any comments. MoLudwig: evidence would be useful Doodles101: i could care less if he OJ is or not at this point Athansor: Romany: yeah!! BCreekmore: oj yes quilty Saccomano: Romanany, the older lady, who turned off her hearing aid on cockran? RBHEINEKE: Guilty JAnderman: Wether he is guilty or not isn't much of an issue anymore, wether he will do time is. MarkNewman: I thought this was Zion v. New York Hospital? Mac Hackx2: OJ BEAT THE HELL OUT OF NICOLE, AND RON. HE DESERVES THE CHAIR, THE CHAIR! KatieTried: Very thoughtful ruling, I thought, Cush Athansor: guilty and one big giant motive Romany01: Yes, Sacco...she was adorable. Cobble1: O.J.'s guilt as hell but he'll walk CourtTV: Many people murmured in the courtroom that they have a renewed faith in the justice Romany01: A light moment in a serious case. Athansor: Cobble: agree there BCreekmore: he better not RREDWARDS: guilty also CourtTV: system after the Zion verdict came in. Kjaj: will OJ be found guilty - let's vote KatieTried: That's cool MoLudwig: cushwitz, I agree. The parents also did a good thing when they changed residents hours DAVEB9888: mark doyou think ny hospital go off easy BCreekmore: yes Romany01: Really Court? That doesn't speak well for the people. MelPerson: What is the difference between Tang and OJ? SColfax350: No JAnderman: Innocent Athansor: guilty Mac Hackx2: OJ SPENDS $30,000 A DAY FOR HIS LAWYERS TO LIE FOR HIM. HE IS GUILTY AS HELL! Cobble1: Johnnie Cochran is as smooth as silk, too Jmcniff: If Libby Zion had been found to be 51% negligent, would any money have been awarded? Saccomano: romany, she didn't have too much to say worth while KatieTried: what do you think, Romany? Eyetulman: zion's atty. was really obnoxious AThomp1025: I had a hard time accepting the jury's finding that any of the doctors in Zion were liable. Cushwitz: Zion Lawyer was so arrogant. It is about time Malpractice did not pay someone for life. SColfax350: Are you jealous Mac. He can Athansor: Mac Hack: OKOKOKOK OK ALREADY!!!! Romany01: Ah, but she did. You missed it. RREDWARDS: he lies Doodles101: if he did it i think he shoul rot but we dont have the right to kill him Romany01: Mac...behave yourself. Cobble1: I agree Mac Mac Hackx2: OK MarkNewman: remind me if i am wrong, but wasn't zion the case involving the resident who prescribed the CourtTV: Jmcniff: Yes. The award would have been reduced by that percentage. RRR737: JAnderman - guilty or not - OJ will walk. Mac Hackx2: SORRY. DAVEB9888: cniff yes 49% would have been awarded MarkNewman: wrong med? RRR737: Mac - ease down a notch - OK AThomp1025: How could the jury find that demerol was a causal factor in light of the other drugs? Saccomano: romany, what the timeing of the dog barks? RREDWARDS: me to Mac Hackx2: any one here have a machintosh? SColfax350: No Cushwitz: Demerol was contraindicated but it did not kill the patient nor should it ruin a young CourtTV: Mark: Yes. Libby was injected with Demerol and it reacted with Nardil (drug she was Romany01: Nope...they can't predict the timing from her, Sacco. But a couple of other things. RRR737: no mac CourtTV: taking at the time). Cushwitz: dents future forever. MoLudwig: no, in Zion she was on coke, but shodup in the ER Cobble1: But Cochran is slick huh Mac??? KatieTried: I'm a lawyer (nothing to do with medical cases) and even WE refer to the PDR Otavol: Hi all Romany01: She reinforces the very loud barking dog...she's deaf as a doornail. Lsc45: dream team doesn't look soooooo dreamy to me. Doodles101: well if they found the dna there is no better finger print than that if you ask me Otavol: So what happened today with OJ? MoLudwig: Mac SCoop22242: hi, i was wondering if anyone has noticed that the IBM ,and the SONY have been altered in Saccomano: romany, What did I miss, I was cooking dinner? AThomp1025: The amount of demerol could not have caused the death of Libby Zion. Doodles101: same ol same ol Romany01: And...she also reinforces the testimony of the nextdoor neighbor in the condo. MarkNewman: it was a typical case of good verdict, bad law FWDS10: the dog told the jury he was guilty. Mac Hackx2: Now on POGS, one side says guilty, the other not guilty. SCoop22242: on the computers in the oj case Cobble1: Dream team sucks,, Cochran is smooth though Otavol: No more free adverts for Sony and IBM RRR737: what's the chances of a doggy expert? KatieTried: I thought Dr. Osborne called so many things negligent, the jury just wrote most of him off Aahann: It wasn't the demerol alone, it was its interaction with her antidepressant medication! CourtTV: AThomp: That was the defense position but some say Demerol/Nardil combination Mac677: HEY MAC HACK WHY ARE YOU IN THIS ROOM IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN JUDICAL SYST SColfax350: How can you say that Cobble Romany01: I sure wouldn't hire them, Cobble. CourtTV: is not dose-related. MoLudwig: she would have to tell Cushwitz: Any thoughts on Dr. Kavorkian? StevenV101: wow what bad taste browns battered face for downloading weak DAVEB9888: atty douglas looks like a monkey MHoff70596: I heard Hodgeman is coming back tomorrow MelPerson: OJ has a perfect out... During the murders, he was waiting to be seated at a Denny's Jmcniff: Maybe there should be a room just for OJ. Mac Hackx2: OJ is guilty as hell. He could easially kill Nicole, and Ron. Arthritus, my ASS. Emdru: Demerol did not cause her death. She sounds like it was a toxic shock. What other drugs was she on? Cobble1: Well, I would, he's a skilled negotiator SColfax350: Who thinks he's GUILTY StevenV101: guilty AThomp1025: Right! and the antidepressant info was not conveyed to the doctors. Otavol: Maybe, any thing exciting happen today with OJ? Saccomano: romany, ok so what you are saying is that oj had a 45 min window and he did have time to kill run home FWDS10: maybe there should be a station for oj Romany01: Not as skilled as Gerry Spence. Eyetulman: no angels today SCoop22242: hello was there anything in the press about thechange of the logos MoLudwig: Coke, Emdru Cobble1: You don't get what you deserve you get what you negotiate CourtTV: Emdru: She was on erythomycin, dalmane, percodan and valium besides the nardil. DAVEB9888: the anti depresent was on her admission form Cobble1: Spence is a joke Romany01: He had about 75 mins, Sacco. Aahann: Prior to Zion, the demerol-nardil interaction was something little known to MOST doctors, awake or not KatieTried: What was the deal with the earache? The only place I ever heard that was CtTV intros AThomp1025: Sweet girl, eh? CourtTV: The antidepressant WAS conveyed to the doctors. Mystko: Does anyone else want to know what happened to that Akido after the neigbor found the body? SColfax350: HOw do you figure that ROMANY StevenV101: dog pound Otavol: I dont think OJ had enough time to do it all!! Mac Hackx2: OJ IS GUILTY. HE HAS NO ARTHRITUS! HE EASIALLY KILLED NICLOLE ! No one is more guilty as him. Romany01: The testimony Cobble1: its Akita Athansor: Otav: good witness at the end testifying that she tried to get p[olice to come at 10:15 Emdru: The demerol dose was a small one. If she had an idiosycnratic reaction, that is not negligence StevenV101: guilty Cushwitz: Yes Naril was known to the Docs. Demerol is really becoming a drug not used much anymore MoLudwig: Katie, wire services ced the info Romany01: 9:35 - approx. 10:55 KatieTried: ced? CourtTV: Katie: No one knows. It is assumed to be related to the tooth extraction from a few HUMISTON: I thought this was supposed to be a discussion of the Zion Vs. New York Hospital Case? MHoff70596: I believe after pound it was taken to Rockingham CourtTV: days before. Mystko: You really think so, Steven? I felt so sad for the Akido and thought those witnesses really cared abou ASHORSELY: HAve you seen the oj simpson trial Mystko: the dog. MarkNewman: oh well JSS41666: If OJ jumped the back fence, how did the drops of blood get on the driveway in the front? Mac Hackx2: His lawyers never present REAL evedence. They try to discount prosucution evedence. SColfax350: Did he hold a knife in each hand Mac MoLudwig: carried, sorry KatieTried: it's not their turn yet, Mac LuisM6682: How can anyone kill two healthy adults in such a maner in so short of time? Romany01: He didn't jump the fence, JS. Mac Hackx2: Probely. Saccomano: yea, romany your time is off by 25 min or more ASHORSELY: I think he had help\ AThomp1025: I think it was disgusting that Zion would drag the New York Hospital through the mud. Mystko: But you guys think the dog was taken that night to the pound? Cobble1: thats the only way they'll win, Mac JHarris239: MAC: You really have a hard time spelling! Cushwitz: i THINK HE HAS BEEN SET-UP SColfax350: Yeah right Mac StevenV101: i think he did have help too Otavol: I understand that the guy was into Judo... JSS41666: How did the glove get there? Romany01: Not according to the testimony, Sacco. MosesHill: Mac, OJ's lawyers can't present evidence until the prosecution is done. Romany01: He left Kato at about 9:35 right? LuisM6682: Ash if he did, why has the people only accusing oJ? AThomp1025: Ten years of litigation, millions in defense costs, and Zion was trying to help medicine? Otavol: So I am surprised that he was taken out so easily ASHORSELY: thats the only way he could of done ir MHoff70596: I think the dog went to a vet first Saccomano: right KatieTried: Beth, do you think Zion has any appeal poitns? KatieTried: er points CourtTV: I'll take a few more questions about Zion. Romany01: Kato was on the phone at 9:37. Shotes: {S WELCOME ASHORSELY: {S Hey!} Romany01: Ok, now figure when the limo driver saw him. Mac Hackx2: There is a CD-ROM all about OJ, mostly his trial. CourtTV: Katie: The lawyers have said they will not appeal. MoLudwig: No, Zion was a hospital StevenV101: kato said he's guilty esquire ASHORSELY: Were Mystko: Wouldn't it be nice to hear what happened to the Akido. Where is he now. That dog really cared. SColfax350: {S WELCOME Emdru: Resident training was probably hurt by the Zion case. Short hours mean less continuity of care HUMISTON: What is the status of the Zion case? Otavol: Is it true that Ron Goldman was a Judo expert? Saccomano: hi ash AThomp1025: I'm sure Zion wants to appeal the admission of the cocaine evidence. MHoff70596: THe dog is back with the kids KatieTried: that's good, maybe they can get over it now ASHORSELY: IF he was a judo expert how could he be taken out CourtTV: Emdru: Interesting point. Some say the opposite. HUMISTON: Zion, was the person who died not the Hospital MosesHill: His trail is happening now. The CDROM is the prelim. Where have you been , MAc Cobble1: its Akita, Mystko! Mac Hackx2: Have a knife-er nice day. cool OJ joke, huh? Mystko: You know that for sure, Mhoff? SColfax350: Does anyone know what time Nicole talked to her mother? ASHORSELY: Oj might have been planted JOE PUFF: Hey who did it CourtTV: AThomp: But the jury believed Libby had ingested cocaine even without the evidence MHoff70596: Yes I heard it on CNN Cushwitz: Court TV, who are you, what are your connections, what are your qualifications? HUMISTON: WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE ZION CASE Otavol: Maybe that explains him puttingup the big fight they say he put up KatieTried: I know they weren't allowed to introduce it, but was the boyfriend's testimony....... CourtTV: the defense wanted to introduce of her history of cocaine use. Mystko: Sorry, to mistate dog's name - just like dogs and felt sorry for him from all the testimonies. Emdru: The resident who admits the patient during the day is not there for problems at night. New guy is on. KatieTried: the only evidence of pre-date of admission cocaine use they had? JOE PUFF: bye StevenV101: who is court tv MoLudwig: Shorter resident hours are good AThomp1025: On what basis could the jury have found cocaine use without evidence, Court TV? CourtTV: I'm the reporter who covered the Zion trial. I'm a lawyer too. Mystko: Isn't it possible that one dog barks and wails, others in the neighborhood join in? StevenV101: cool Mac Hackx2: OJ is guilty as hell. He pays his lawers to lie for him. I even heard he pay's his stupid lawers 1 BIL JSS41666: If OJ jumped the back fence and dropped the glove, how did the blood drops get on the driveway? Saccomano: ditto steven Otavol: That happens here in AZ Romany01: He didn't jump the fence, JSS :) SColfax350: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT TIME NICOLE TALKED TO HER MOTHER BCASEYMD: shorter hours are good but not at the expense of education CourtTV: AThomp: The toxicological report showed traces of cocaine in the antemortem blood and HUMISTON: The thing that bothers me most about the case is the refusal of New York to accept their own HUMISTON: evidence, which clearly suggests no cocaine in the urine. Mac Hackx2: OJ is guilty. Any one who has a mac, and needs help, can IM me for help. Mac677: Does each doctor pay 375,000 or the total payment from all three doctors equal 375,000 SColfax350: It was a wall Romany Mac Hackx2: NO CARRIER JHarris239: SCOLFAX350: 9:50 CHARLESR67: hello I have a question about the oj case CourtTV: nasal passages. The plaintiff said those were false positive readings. JSS41666: Then who dropped the glove, Romany01? Saccomano: i thought 10:00ish. scol Mystko: Did you hear me - can't other dogs start to bark in a neighborhood, once one dog starts wailing? MoLudwig: Dead tired residents aren't being educated Otavol: The way the police where walking about in the blood any one could have dripped it on the Otavol: drive way Shotes: COURT: why did Zion take so long to come to trial? MosesHill: it was furhman, JSS CourtTV: The urine was an absolute negative. Pretty hard to reconcile. Otavol: Mystko I said that happens in AZ MHoff70596: If you have dogs you can tell which one is barking KatieTried: How bad do Pittoni and Moore hate each other? Emdru: As an attending, I prefer to talk to a resident who knows the patient, not one who cross-covers Cushwitz: This is a good room. I'll have to come back and visit again. LuisM6682: Court TV, what is the Zion case? Romany01: Can this case be overturned, CTV? Emdru: and has no idea what is wrong with the patient CourtTV: Moses: There was a grand jury investigation and other hearings before the Office of Romany01: The verdict was so far out of line. AThomp1025: Shotes, ten years of deposing everyone in the "system that let Libby Zion down." CourtTV: Professional Medical Conduct. And Zion's first lawyer was disbarred for unrelated BCASEYMD: who is going to relieve you in practice when you are tired StevenV101: c-ya this is a interesting room Mystko: You want to hear what the prisoners in one prison thinl about OJ? SColfax350: Where did you hear he didn't jump the wall Romany CourtTV: reasons. All this took time. CHARLESR67: Dear Court TV why can't someone get a listing of the phone calls of the elderly lady Shotes: A: thanks Romany01: Think about it...Jumping the wall makes no sense. SColfax350: Why they found the glove there KatieTried: Why didn't they call the brother to testify about what he observed before the hospital? RRR737: Mystko - yes waht do prisoners think? MosesHill: Neither does waliking down the narrow corridor, Romany Romany01: Yes, they found the glovet there, SC. Mystko: The prisoners think that Kato was in a love thing with OJ, was jealous, and Kato did it. JHartmire: But neither does dropping a bloody glove--pretty incriminating and stupid Otavol: And the fact that the cob webs were not broken back there MHoff70596: Didnt the limo driver see him go into the house from the street? Emdru: Zion appears to be outnumbered by OJ. SColfax350: Thats what the pros said and Kato heard a bang Otavol: So how did someone the size of OJ go through there? CourtTV: Katie: Moore chose not to call him. He apparently didn't have much to add to the parents. AThomp1025: KT, what did the brother observe before the hospital? JHartmire: Yes, what do other prisoners think? MosesHill: he didn't otavol Shotes: Emdru: what specialty? Romany01: Yes, SC, he may have heard a bang. That's reasonable. Otavol: And not break the cob webs BCASEYMD: a resident is like an athelete he or she has to train 10000 min to perform well for 10 CourtTV: Any more questions? I'll take two more. Emdru: Interventional radiology SColfax350: They said he went over the wall CHARLESR67: the lady testified she heard the dogs barking. The local phone co. has a listing of her call KatieTried: Don't know exactly--he was there when the parents were gone, if she took cocaine it was then Mystko: That's what I heard from my dentist who visits prisoners just to be nice, not to do dentistry. Romany01: No cobwebs to break up to that point. AThomp1025: Court TV, what is the New York news spin on Zion? KatieTried: I would think he'd be able to say if anyone came over, drug-type friends etc. RONZOSA: CT TV DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME NICOLE CALLED HERMOTHER Romany01: Who said he went over the wall? CourtTV: Katie: That was the defense theory. The brother, of course, will never tell. MosesHill: How do you know romany Emdru: Does this first year residents settlement go into he National Data Bank for all time? Mac677: COURT: Does each doctor pay 375,000 or is the total amount split among the doctors Otavol: The police said he went over the wall CourtTV: Mac: Technically, they are each responsible for the full amount. In reality, they will Mystko: It is probably crazy prison talk - but interesting. Was OJ totaly hetero - does anyone know? Romany01: Who testified to it Moses? Shotes: GOODBYE Otavol: and that he dropped the glove there MosesHill: There is no evidence that the branches or other foliage was disturbed at the glove location CourtTV: split it. Gotta run. Bye. RRR737: bye Shotes MosesHill: Yes Rom JREICHLE: Beth, as a physician-in-training at that time, I was very interested in this case KatieTried: Thanks Beth, love your work, say hi to Terry for us! RONZOSA: BYE MHoff70596: I dont recall hearing thathe went over the wall, Furman did go over the wall CourtTV: Thanks Katie.